by Leuren Moret, Christina Consolo and Jim Fetzer
“When they went to check again, the readings were completely offline, which they updates in the comments on that FB posting, stating ‘What a shocker!!! Just went to look at the numbers on San Diego California and hey did you all know you are GONE out of here . . . They are not showing your numbers at this time . . . . Gone gone”–Susan Duclos
Breaking News! Something very strange is going on in California and New Mexico right now. In Part I, images reflecting the stunning change in counts per minute (CPM) for San Diego, CA, were presented:
At 11 PM/CT, 19 September 2014, the CPM was 588. 50 CPM or above is abnormal. 100 CPM is the alert level. 300 CPM calls for the use of hazmat suits or the evacuation of the population.
By 7 AM/CT, 21 Septemberf 2014, however, the level had dropped to 187, which should have been cause for alters, but far below the 588 CPM readings reported only two days before. And lest anyone think this was a fluke, a parallel phenomenon was playing out in Albuquerque, NM, as follows:
Albuquerque, NM, 20 September 2014
7:30 PM/CT, 21 September 2014:
Part I of “28 Proofs: West Coast absolutely
fried with Fukushima Radiation”, was disturbing enough. But in Part II,
we encounter even more–and more unsettling–proofs that the hazards
posed are extraordinary, even (in my estimation as a student of
evolution) representing an “extinction level” event that has the
potential to bring about the extinction of the species, Homo sapiens, on Earth. We may have laid the seeds of our own destruction by embracing nuclear energy.
Host: Dr. James Fetzer Ph.D.
Editor’s Note: This transcription was prepared with
“Editor’s Notes” by William B. Fox, Publisher, America First Books, who
also helped organize this interview. He has a series, NUKED PACIFIC,
which begins with Part 1,Embryonic effects of Fallout. The series incudes Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5,Part 6, Part 7 He has supplied additional text in brackets below.
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Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer your host on The Real Deal continuing and concluding my conversation with Leuren Moret and Christina Consolo about Fukushima. I am really at your disposal because the two of you are the experts. I know we want to address the “28 Indications That The West Coast is Being Absolutely Fried With Nuclear Radiation,” but I leave it to your discretion as to how we shall proceed. Leuren?
L. Moret: Sure, let’s see. I think now you can post these in your article, right? Or the transcript?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes
L. Moret: I mean we have links, we have this article and other articles. We will send it all to you and you can weave it into the interview.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, well Bill Fox, to whom I am very indebted for arranging these interviews, will be preparing transcripts of our conversations for publication as articles in Veterans Today. He would be very pleased to include the links to any articles you want to add, Leuren. And of course any graphics you want to provide for the publication in VT.
L. Moret: Sure, OK, Christina how about if we each read one of these and alternate. We read these 28 Signs on the Pacific coast of North America.
Christina: Sure.
L. Moret: So the first one which we mentioned already is [Number 1]“Polar bears, seals and walruses along the Alaska coastline are suffering from fur loss and open sores…” and that has also been reported in the moose population. There is a big moose die off from the Pacific coast to the Atlantic along the Canadian-U.S. border. So you go ahead and do Number 2.
Christina: Number 2 is the “epidemic of sea lion deaths along the California coastline…” but I also want to mention they had an unusual event as far down as San Diego this year where seal pups were being abandoned in much greater numbers than what the rescuers were used to seeing. They still don’t have an explanation about why these seal pups were abandoned. They were all under weight. Some of them have been rehabilitated and put back into nature. These events are really escalating and they are moving right up the coast.
Dr. Fetzer: Could it be that from the evolutionary point of view the seal population, the mothers recognize when they have offspring that aren’t likely to be capable of sustaining their way and therefore they abandon them early to not invest more maternal resources in their upbringing when their prospects are so slender
Christina: It is a definite possibility.
L. Moret: The other thing that happens is that when a population is put under stress and the young are affected the most by toxins and so forth, and it weakens them and they can’t keep up with the mothers or they get lost or they left behind the mothers just can’t take care of them or find them when they come back to where they thought they were. So 45% of the pups born in June have died in Southern California along the coast. That is a very high death rate. It is the same as the infant mortality. When you see phenomena occurring in humans andin animal populations it has to be an environmental cause.
Dr. Fetzer: That is all profoundly disturbing. Continue, yes.
L. Moret: So did you have anything else to say Christina?
Christina: I did try to track someone down at NOAA to comment on the seal mortality and what was found in terms of the testing for radioactive materials, because ENENews had reported over a year ago that they did find radiation in the seals but that it wasn’t above what they expected it to be for normal background. However they never indicated if it was for cesium or strontium or what exactly they tested for or what the levels were. When I tried to call NOAA to pin somebody down with this I got such a run-around. In fact some of it I did on air on my show and we kept getting sent to David Kelly and then I would call David Kelly and [they would say] “Oh, you want the David Kelly in Hawaii” and then I would call him and they would send me to someone else. What I found out was that they actually carved up these seals and sent them to twenty different labs for testing. You know they sent the whiskers to one lab, then they sent the teeth to another lab and they sent the skin from the dorsal area to another lab. So I mean it is like the Manhattan Project but in reverse.
L. Moret: Same thing! It is the same thing.
Christina: Where they divide up all the information knowing that these people probably won’t talk to each other and figure out what is going on
L. Moret: Yes, that is what they are doing. So Number 3 is “Along the Pacific coast of Canada and the Alaska coastline, the population of sockeye salmon is at a historic low. Many are blaming Fukushima.”Certainly this woman, she is a professional biologist has fund-raised and done a study on the salmon in British Columbia in the Fraser River and other rivers. This is an area where a large orca population will summer. The resident orcas that live in a particular area, they come and migrate and spend a whole summer there. They usually arrive with new baby orcas, so they are feeding them too. They live on salmon populations. The other orcas called transient populations, they live on marine sea mammals and they travel in groups of three so that they are quiet and can sneak up on the sea mammals, seals and stuff. So they have very different diets and we are going to see the effects of the radiation in the difference in the diet in these populations over time. I predict that the coastal salmon, the resident populations, are going to have a more severe impact because the salmon are going out into the Pacific, they are eating smaller fish that bioconcentrate the radiation. We just have to wait and see. But this woman who did this study and independently raised the money to analyze, have these salmon lab-analyzed, they have very severe viruses and that indicates immune system damage as well as a slimy star fish goo. The star fish are just kind of melting along the North Pacific Coast.
Dr. Fetzer: Oh God.
L. Moret: And then the jellyfish also.So that really sounds like a viral infection or some kind of bacterial-viral slime on them.
Dr. Fetzer: You know the exposure to radiation will affect their immune systems or their capacity to cope with otherwise threats to their environment they might normally be able to deal with and make them far more vulnerable to these kinds of diseases and related problems.
L. Moret: Christina–
Christina: Number 4 was “Something is causing fish all along the west coast of Canada to bleed from their gills, bellies and eyeballs.” I mean, bleeding and bruising is a hallmark of radiation exposure and sure there are mutations of viruses and bacteria that could be making these fish sick. They are indicating from this article that it is in multiple species. Now I did call several fisheries over the last few days in Canada, one in the Great Lakes region, Purdy’s [Fish Market], and another in the Vancouver area. Both of the people that I spoke to at those fisheries were very forthcoming. They all knew about Fukushima. They knew that there was a potential for it to be affecting their catches. They did report from both the Great Lakes region and from B.C. that they are experiencing lows in their catch. Nothing historic, but that it was kind of across the board. But neither organization had noted any increase of disease. When I asked them who is testing the fish for radiation, they said that was not their job. That happened after the fish leave their market place.
Dr. Fetzer: After the fish leave their market place.
Christina: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: So they are getting into the food chain for the human population and only then they are going to be tested? Not likely, because the retailers are going to want to market it and make their profit. No one cares about the health of the consumer.
L. Moret: Well they just balkanize countries. They balkanize the media too, so that is what is happening.
Christina: It all needs to be tested, and Leuren had brought up in an interview that she did last week with Alfred Webre that I mean there is a serious economic impact to this disaster that we are just now starting to realize. Obviously it is going to be affecting the fishing industry pretty severely.
Dr. Fetzer: Just as has happened on the Gulf Coast from the BP disaster, I mean it has just wiped out whole industries there.
Christina: Right.
L. Moret: What they are doing is they are out there fishing like mad, scraping the bottom. They have these huge nets that are a mile wide. They are just taking everything indiscriminately and canning it, freezing it, and turning it into human food. This is just how they spread the radiation everywhere. They want everyone exposed, just exactly what they are doing in Japan by burning radioactive trash all over Japan. Number Five is “A vast field of radioactive debris from Fukushima that is approximately the size of California” or Texas“has crossed the Pacific Ocean and is starting to collide with the west coast.”
Dr. Fetzer: That is stunning. That’s stunning!
L. Moret: That’s right, and there is a very good article, October 18th by Greg Ray in the Herald newspaper in Australia. It is called the “Ocean is Broken.” This is by a sailor who made many trips, yacht races across the Pacific and what he is saying now, he sailed his boat from Osaka to San Francisco recently, he said:
L. Moret: That is reality. That is what is happening.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina –
Christina: Number 6: “It is being projected that the radioactivity of coastal waters off the U.S. west coast could double over the next five to six years.”
Dr. Fetzer: I’ll bet sooner.
Christina: I think that is being pretty generous. I think it is going to happen sooner.
Dr. Fetzer: Much too conservative.
Christina: There are many things that need to be taken into account. How much radioactivity might be carried from this debris. Much of it is porous. Cloth and styrofoam and wood that is going to collect particles that have been raining out over the past two and a half years. Then we also have a situation of uranium buckey balls and now the newest finding, cesium buckey balls. That was just reported today. Leuren can explain a little bit more about that, but we don’t know how those things travel in the ocean waters.
L. Moret: Yes, scientists are reporting that spheres of radioactive material from Fukushima are being reported for the first time. Ball-like particles composed of cesium, iron, zinc, solid [Ed. Note: she probably meant "soluble"] and insoluble in water, [the] impact on human health need to be examined. What they are talking about are nanoparticles. They are produced, these spherical particles, I know all about this because depleted uranium is just like this. This indicates since these are being reported now, very recently, as a new phenomenon, it means that the fuel rods are burning in Fukushima at extremely high temperatures. It means there is no water in the pools or some of the pools. What happens at these very high temperatures is that they are so high the burning fuel rods release a gas, a very hot gas, that condenses and collects as a spherical radioactive particle when the very hot gas begins to chill. That indicates that Fukushima fuel rods are definitely burning at extremely high temperatures, and that was not reported right after the Fukushima earthquake and tsunami. So that place is going in flames and releasing extremely radioactive, very, very dangerous spherical nanoparticles of mixed radioactive isotopes and those tiny spheres are extremely dangerous because they have an effect called the particulate effect. They actually change chemicals and interfere with cell processes that are life-threatening and cause very high rates of various illnesses caused by ionizing radiation. But there is our proof right there that Fukushima is on fire.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable
Christina: I have a question. Leuren, have you ever heard of this type of nanoparticle before in a reactor accident?
L. Moret: No.
Christina: I haven’t either
L. Moret: No, I haven’t either. But it is definitely characteristic of depleted uranium from the battlefield. Uranium is a pyrophoric metal. It catches on fire very, very easily and it burns at temperatures up to 5,000 degrees centigrade which is hotter than the sun! So these tiny particles are the most lethal part of the danger of a nuclear power plant burning or using depleted uranium weapons. Of course we know at Fukushima that they have MOX fuel in one of the reactors. That is mixing plutonium and uranium in the fuel and it is very unstable. It burns at very high temperatures. Of course plutonium is extremely lethal to living organisms.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina –
Christina: Number 7, “Experts have found very high levels of cesium-137 in plankton living in the waters of the Pacific Ocean between Hawaii and the west coast.”
Dr. Fetzer: Oh, that is not normal, hunh?
Christina: Well you know they detected two weeks after the accident already very high levels in the kelp off B.C., and at that time it was I-131 I believe which after 40 days dissipates, but I-129 sticks around for much longer. I have an article called “The Bioaccumulation of Contamination in Plankton.” This is from the U.S. Armed Forces in 1955. Plankton concentrate mineral elements from the water and it has been found that radioactivity may be concentrated in this manner by as much as a thousand times. Thus, for example, one gram of plankton could contain a thousand times as much radioactivity as a gram of water adjacent to it.
Dr. Fetzer: Unreal.
Christina: And I believe we know even more now than we did back then, but I mean this is bad news for anything in the ocean that lives on plankton, which is everything. But things that feed directly on it like whales.
L. Moret: It is the base of the food chain. What we know about bioaccumulation in seaweed is that seaweed bioconcentrates ionizing radiation in the seawater to 150,000 times higher levels in seaweed than in the water the seaweed is living in.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: So Number 8: “One test in California found that 15 out of 15bluefin tuna were contaminated with radiation from Fukushima.” That was just about a year ago when tuna off the coast of San Diego were sampled and I think all of them had cesium in the flesh and these tuna had come from Japan which is where they spawn offshore from Fukushima.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina –
Christina: Yes, Number 9 ties into that too “Back in 2012, the Vancouver Sun reported that cesium-137 was being found in a very high percentage of the fish that Japan was selling to Canada…
L. Moret: One hundred percent, and that is because the levels in these different fish depend on their diet, so fish that prey on other fish usually have lower levels than fish that feed on plankton, for instance, or they are bottom feeders and they pick up mud and small particles which have higher levels of radiation because of the chemical affinity that tiny particles have for radiation. In other words, very tiny clay particles in water are scavengers for highly charged radioactive particles.
Dr. Fetzer: Continue–.
L. Moret: [Number] 10: “Canadian authorities are finding extremely high levels of nuclear radiation in certain fish samples…
Dr. Fetzer: If I pick up on Number 11, people developing cancer from eating contaminated fish, why I am stunned by this is it seems to be having such a rapid effect. I mean, here we have this Daniel Hirsh, a nuclear policy lecturer at UC Santa Cruz who is telling Global Security Newswire “We could have large numbers of cancer from ingestion of fish’” and I take it they are already showing up. [Editor's Note: Number 11 reads as follows:] “Some experts believe that we could see very high levels of cancer along the west coast just from people eating contaminated fish…“
L. Moret: It is already showing up
Dr. Fetzer: How quickly? You know it is just astonishing that it should be that fast.
Christina: Well you know part of the problem too is that when you look back at Chernobyl, in Japan they are saying right now all these kids that they are finding thyroid problems with, you know, they are developing nodules, some of them have early cancer. — the experts are saying this can’t be from Fukushima because it is happening too fast, because in Chernobyl it took four or five years for a hundred kids to have cancer.
L. Moret: Well it is these very tiny particles and it is constant exposure now for two years, more than two years. Chernobyl was just one exposure, and they put the lid on it. They put a sarcophagus on it and stopped it. This is constant, daily, 24 hour a day releases of low level and not so low level radiation. By April of 2011, just two months after Fukushima, air samples and air filters in cars were analyzed by Dr. Chris Busby. He calculated that by April the radiation concentrations in the air in Japan around the Fukushima area indicated that the equivalent of 300 Chernobyls had occurred. We are talking now from this new evidence about spherical particles, we are talking about all those fuel rods, or large numbers of fuel rods in the cooling pools that are now empty are releasing huge new amounts of extremely toxic sphericals.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: So it is really bad and a new study by the Radiation and Food Lab, I believe it is in Japan, they reported that the 19th of October 2013, that Pacific Coast seaweed is contaminated with cesium and that the levels are 8.14 becquerels per kilo for Cs-134, 8.88 becquerels per kilo for Cs-137, and cobalt is even being reported in seaweed off the Pacific Coast of the U.S. at 3.7 becquerels per kilo. In Chiba, which is north, is between Tokyo and Fukushima, the cesium levels were 41 becquerels per kilo for Cs -134, 63 becquerels per kilo for Cs-137, and although no cobalt 60 was detected, but there is nothing to compare this to. You cannot even compare it to Chernobyl. The spent fuel rods did not burn at Chernobyl. It was just the reactor rods and they stopped it right away. But these people in Japan are releasing, they are guaranteeing, they are facilitating increased releases of extremely high levels of radiation on a daily basis into the atmosphere and into the ocean and off course contaminated air masses are over here along the Pacific Coast line in a matter of days.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina, could you take 12, 13, and 14?
Christina: Sure. Number 12 is the “BBC News recently reported that radiation levels around Fukushima are `18 times higher‘ than previously believed.” And, you know, again it is TEPCO’s numbers which are always revised higher. With the last few weeks where we have had kind of this escalation of events, one of the things that I found really curious is that because of a wall that was built underground to block the corium from going out into the sea , or highly contaminated water going out into the sea, effectively they have dammed up the site, so the ground is now becoming saturated. If you have this underground corium lava field under the reactors, you have ground water that is flowing through the site and you have water that is continuously being poured on the reactors, and they are only collecting 300 or 400 tons of that a day, I think what we are going to see eventually is that this corium-ground water combination is going to be coming up around this site. At that point workers are not going to be able to be there. There is no way to protect them especially from tritium because tritium will go through everything. So they are really under the gun for anything that they need to do. They are going to cycle through workers continuously. There is no way to keep people on the site for long term with the kind of exposures they are getting with these numbers that we are seeing.
[Editor's Note: Numbers 13 and 14, which were skipped in this interview, read as follows:]
L. Moret: [Number 15]: “At this point, 300 tons of contaminated water is pouring into the Pacific Ocean from Fukushima every single day.”That is because Japan is an island arc. The nuclear power plants are built on the coastline so they can use sea water, huge amounts of water every day to cool the reactors. The run off from the volcanic spine of Japan is running right down to the coastline and it is washing straight through Fukushima in that location and just carrying a constant river of radioactive water washing into the sea. Number 16:“A senior researcher of marine chemistry at the Japan Meteorological Agency’s Meteorological Research Institute says that `30 billion becquerels of radioactive cesium and 30 billion becquerels of radioactive strontium’ are being released into the Pacific Ocean from Fukushima every single day.” I bet it is a lot more than that. Number 17: ”According to Tepco, a total of somewhere between 20 trillion and 40 trillion becquerels of radioactive tritium…” [Leuren Moret interjects] radioactive tritium is radioactive water, basically, ”…have gotten into the Pacific Ocean since the Fukushima disaster first began.”
Dr. Fetzer: Christina, 18, 19, and 20.
Christina: [Number 18:] “According to a professor at Tokyo University, 3 gigabecquerels of cesium-137 are flowing into the port at Fukushima Daiichi every single day.” Again, that is just one isotope. It is just cesium 137. Number 19: “It has been estimated that up to 100 times as much nuclear radiation has been released into the ocean from Fukushima than was released during the entire Chernobyl disaster.” Leuren just covered that when she talked about Chris Busby’s air filter studies.
L. Moret: That is under estimation
Dr. Fetzer: Yes. [Number] 20 –
Christina: [Number] 20: “One recent study concluded that a very large plume of cesium-137 from the Fukushima disaster will start flowing into U.S. coastal waters early next year…
L. Moret: It is going to kill the oceans. It absolutely is, the coastline [too].
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, go to 21 and 22.
L. Moret: OK, [Number] 21 “It is being projected that significant levels of cesium-137 will reach every corner of the Pacific Ocean by the year 2020.” That is because the ocean is very dynamic and that stuff is spread all over, very rapidly, but not as rapidly as in the atmosphere. [Number] 22: “It is being projected that the entire Pacific Ocean will soon `have cesium levels 5 to 10 times higher‘ than what we witnessed during the era of heavy atomic bomb testing in the Pacific many decades ago.” That is going to absolutely kill the fish populations.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina: 23, 24.
Christina: [Number 23:] “The immense amounts of nuclear radiation getting into the water in the Pacific Ocean has caused environmental activist Joe Martino to issue the following warning…
Dr. Fetzer: Smart. You were ahead of the curve. 24?
Christina: [Number] 24 is “The Iodine-131, Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 that are constantly coming from Fukushima are going to affect the health of those living the the northern hemisphere for a very, very long time. Just consider what Harvey Wasserman had to say about this…
L. Moret: [Number] 25: “According to a recent Planet Infowars report, the California coastline is being transformed into “a dead zone”…
L. Moret: Yes.. [Continuing to read from the article].
[Editor's Note: the following is the remainder of Number 25]
L. Moret: Then it is carried into the Atlantic Ocean and it will happen there, in the Arctic Ocean, and around the Antarctic. They are killing the entire global ocean.
Dr. Fetzer: 26
Christina: [Number] 26 is “A study conducted last year came to the conclusion that radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster could negatively affect human life along the west coast of North America from Mexico to Alaska `for decades.’”
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, 27
L. Moret: [Number] 27. “According to the Wall Street Journal, it is being projected that the cleanup of Fukushima could take up to 40 years to complete.” It is never going to stop releasing in our life time.
Dr. Fetzer: I agree. 28, Christina.
Christina: [Number 28:] “Yale Professor Charles Perrow is warning that if the cleanup of Fukushima is not handled with 100% precision that humanity could be threatened `for thousands of years‘…” He is referring to the fuel extraction in part which is scheduled to start in 15 days from Reactor 4. They actually are currently moving fuel from reactor 6 into the common spent fuel pool. Now they began that in Mid-October but it took them three weeks just to pry off the reactor lid in Reactor 6, and that reactor was supposed to be fine. It did not have any damage that was reported. If they found anything once they got inside that reactor they haven’t talked about it. But they are currently moving that fuel and they are going to be moving the fuel from Number 4 at the same time around the end of November.
[Editor's Note: The remainder of Number 28 reads:]
Christina: Well I think this is an issue of enormous complexity. It is difficult to really wrap your mind around it even if you do nothing else but read about this problem day after day. I know many people that have. Fukushima has changed their lives because they realized right from the beginning the magnitude of the disaster. For people who are kind of overwhelmed by this, the only thing you have to remember is that all radiation is bad. Everything that you can do to eliminate it in your daily life is good for the long run, because it is cumulative. You kind of have to treat yourself like you are already a cancer patient and get lots of sleep and eat well and pay attention to the people who are talking about this because it is really is probably the most important issue that we have ever faced.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, summing up in a sentence or two.
L. Moret: Well, the effects of these nuclear technologies that have been introduced one after another it actually has resulted in very strange phenomenon and that is that the oldest people in the U.S., the seniors and those over 60, are the healthiest part of the U.S. population now, and the younger populations are having worse and worse health histories and health effects and as time goes on and they become adults all that exposure in the womb is expressed later on in their health. The highest increase in death rates after Fukushima was reported in basically the soldiers who returned to Texas from the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. They are the most exposed. They are already carrying a body burden and it has almost killed them and that little bit of Fukushima radiation just was the last straw.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren Moret and Christina Consolo, I can’t thank you enough for being here on The Real Deal with me, even though what you are telling us is overwhelming, depressing, even catastrophic. I can’t thank you enough.
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West Coast absolutely fried with Fukushima Radiation (continued)
Broadcast 25 October 2013 on ”The Real Deal”
Host: Dr. James Fetzer Ph.D.
Guests: Leuren Moret and Christina Consolo
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Dr. Fetzer: This is Jim Fetzer your host on The Real Deal continuing and concluding my conversation with Leuren Moret and Christina Consolo about Fukushima. I am really at your disposal because the two of you are the experts. I know we want to address the “28 Indications That The West Coast is Being Absolutely Fried With Nuclear Radiation,” but I leave it to your discretion as to how we shall proceed. Leuren?
L. Moret: Sure, let’s see. I think now you can post these in your article, right? Or the transcript?
Dr. Fetzer: Yes
L. Moret: I mean we have links, we have this article and other articles. We will send it all to you and you can weave it into the interview.
Dr. Fetzer: Yes, well Bill Fox, to whom I am very indebted for arranging these interviews, will be preparing transcripts of our conversations for publication as articles in Veterans Today. He would be very pleased to include the links to any articles you want to add, Leuren. And of course any graphics you want to provide for the publication in VT.
L. Moret: Sure, OK, Christina how about if we each read one of these and alternate. We read these 28 Signs on the Pacific coast of North America.
Christina: Sure.
L. Moret: So the first one which we mentioned already is [Number 1]“Polar bears, seals and walruses along the Alaska coastline are suffering from fur loss and open sores…” and that has also been reported in the moose population. There is a big moose die off from the Pacific coast to the Atlantic along the Canadian-U.S. border. So you go ahead and do Number 2.
Christina: Number 2 is the “epidemic of sea lion deaths along the California coastline…” but I also want to mention they had an unusual event as far down as San Diego this year where seal pups were being abandoned in much greater numbers than what the rescuers were used to seeing. They still don’t have an explanation about why these seal pups were abandoned. They were all under weight. Some of them have been rehabilitated and put back into nature. These events are really escalating and they are moving right up the coast.
Dr. Fetzer: Could it be that from the evolutionary point of view the seal population, the mothers recognize when they have offspring that aren’t likely to be capable of sustaining their way and therefore they abandon them early to not invest more maternal resources in their upbringing when their prospects are so slender
Christina: It is a definite possibility.
L. Moret: The other thing that happens is that when a population is put under stress and the young are affected the most by toxins and so forth, and it weakens them and they can’t keep up with the mothers or they get lost or they left behind the mothers just can’t take care of them or find them when they come back to where they thought they were. So 45% of the pups born in June have died in Southern California along the coast. That is a very high death rate. It is the same as the infant mortality. When you see phenomena occurring in humans andin animal populations it has to be an environmental cause.
Dr. Fetzer: That is all profoundly disturbing. Continue, yes.
L. Moret: So did you have anything else to say Christina?
Christina: I did try to track someone down at NOAA to comment on the seal mortality and what was found in terms of the testing for radioactive materials, because ENENews had reported over a year ago that they did find radiation in the seals but that it wasn’t above what they expected it to be for normal background. However they never indicated if it was for cesium or strontium or what exactly they tested for or what the levels were. When I tried to call NOAA to pin somebody down with this I got such a run-around. In fact some of it I did on air on my show and we kept getting sent to David Kelly and then I would call David Kelly and [they would say] “Oh, you want the David Kelly in Hawaii” and then I would call him and they would send me to someone else. What I found out was that they actually carved up these seals and sent them to twenty different labs for testing. You know they sent the whiskers to one lab, then they sent the teeth to another lab and they sent the skin from the dorsal area to another lab. So I mean it is like the Manhattan Project but in reverse.
L. Moret: Same thing! It is the same thing.
Christina: Where they divide up all the information knowing that these people probably won’t talk to each other and figure out what is going on
L. Moret: Yes, that is what they are doing. So Number 3 is “Along the Pacific coast of Canada and the Alaska coastline, the population of sockeye salmon is at a historic low. Many are blaming Fukushima.”Certainly this woman, she is a professional biologist has fund-raised and done a study on the salmon in British Columbia in the Fraser River and other rivers. This is an area where a large orca population will summer. The resident orcas that live in a particular area, they come and migrate and spend a whole summer there. They usually arrive with new baby orcas, so they are feeding them too. They live on salmon populations. The other orcas called transient populations, they live on marine sea mammals and they travel in groups of three so that they are quiet and can sneak up on the sea mammals, seals and stuff. So they have very different diets and we are going to see the effects of the radiation in the difference in the diet in these populations over time. I predict that the coastal salmon, the resident populations, are going to have a more severe impact because the salmon are going out into the Pacific, they are eating smaller fish that bioconcentrate the radiation. We just have to wait and see. But this woman who did this study and independently raised the money to analyze, have these salmon lab-analyzed, they have very severe viruses and that indicates immune system damage as well as a slimy star fish goo. The star fish are just kind of melting along the North Pacific Coast.
Dr. Fetzer: Oh God.
L. Moret: And then the jellyfish also.So that really sounds like a viral infection or some kind of bacterial-viral slime on them.
Dr. Fetzer: You know the exposure to radiation will affect their immune systems or their capacity to cope with otherwise threats to their environment they might normally be able to deal with and make them far more vulnerable to these kinds of diseases and related problems.
L. Moret: Christina–
Christina: Number 4 was “Something is causing fish all along the west coast of Canada to bleed from their gills, bellies and eyeballs.” I mean, bleeding and bruising is a hallmark of radiation exposure and sure there are mutations of viruses and bacteria that could be making these fish sick. They are indicating from this article that it is in multiple species. Now I did call several fisheries over the last few days in Canada, one in the Great Lakes region, Purdy’s [Fish Market], and another in the Vancouver area. Both of the people that I spoke to at those fisheries were very forthcoming. They all knew about Fukushima. They knew that there was a potential for it to be affecting their catches. They did report from both the Great Lakes region and from B.C. that they are experiencing lows in their catch. Nothing historic, but that it was kind of across the board. But neither organization had noted any increase of disease. When I asked them who is testing the fish for radiation, they said that was not their job. That happened after the fish leave their market place.
Dr. Fetzer: After the fish leave their market place.
Christina: Yes.
Dr. Fetzer: So they are getting into the food chain for the human population and only then they are going to be tested? Not likely, because the retailers are going to want to market it and make their profit. No one cares about the health of the consumer.
L. Moret: Well they just balkanize countries. They balkanize the media too, so that is what is happening.
Christina: It all needs to be tested, and Leuren had brought up in an interview that she did last week with Alfred Webre that I mean there is a serious economic impact to this disaster that we are just now starting to realize. Obviously it is going to be affecting the fishing industry pretty severely.
Dr. Fetzer: Just as has happened on the Gulf Coast from the BP disaster, I mean it has just wiped out whole industries there.
Christina: Right.
L. Moret: What they are doing is they are out there fishing like mad, scraping the bottom. They have these huge nets that are a mile wide. They are just taking everything indiscriminately and canning it, freezing it, and turning it into human food. This is just how they spread the radiation everywhere. They want everyone exposed, just exactly what they are doing in Japan by burning radioactive trash all over Japan. Number Five is “A vast field of radioactive debris from Fukushima that is approximately the size of California” or Texas“has crossed the Pacific Ocean and is starting to collide with the west coast.”
Dr. Fetzer: That is stunning. That’s stunning!
L. Moret: That’s right, and there is a very good article, October 18th by Greg Ray in the Herald newspaper in Australia. It is called the “Ocean is Broken.” This is by a sailor who made many trips, yacht races across the Pacific and what he is saying now, he sailed his boat from Osaka to San Francisco recently, he said:
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable....The next leg of the long voyage was from Osaka to San Francisco and for most of that trip the desolation was tinged with nauseous horror and a degree of fear.
L. Moret: That is reality. That is what is happening.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina –
Christina: Number 6: “It is being projected that the radioactivity of coastal waters off the U.S. west coast could double over the next five to six years.”
Dr. Fetzer: I’ll bet sooner.
Christina: I think that is being pretty generous. I think it is going to happen sooner.
Dr. Fetzer: Much too conservative.
Christina: There are many things that need to be taken into account. How much radioactivity might be carried from this debris. Much of it is porous. Cloth and styrofoam and wood that is going to collect particles that have been raining out over the past two and a half years. Then we also have a situation of uranium buckey balls and now the newest finding, cesium buckey balls. That was just reported today. Leuren can explain a little bit more about that, but we don’t know how those things travel in the ocean waters.
L. Moret: Yes, scientists are reporting that spheres of radioactive material from Fukushima are being reported for the first time. Ball-like particles composed of cesium, iron, zinc, solid [Ed. Note: she probably meant "soluble"] and insoluble in water, [the] impact on human health need to be examined. What they are talking about are nanoparticles. They are produced, these spherical particles, I know all about this because depleted uranium is just like this. This indicates since these are being reported now, very recently, as a new phenomenon, it means that the fuel rods are burning in Fukushima at extremely high temperatures. It means there is no water in the pools or some of the pools. What happens at these very high temperatures is that they are so high the burning fuel rods release a gas, a very hot gas, that condenses and collects as a spherical radioactive particle when the very hot gas begins to chill. That indicates that Fukushima fuel rods are definitely burning at extremely high temperatures, and that was not reported right after the Fukushima earthquake and tsunami. So that place is going in flames and releasing extremely radioactive, very, very dangerous spherical nanoparticles of mixed radioactive isotopes and those tiny spheres are extremely dangerous because they have an effect called the particulate effect. They actually change chemicals and interfere with cell processes that are life-threatening and cause very high rates of various illnesses caused by ionizing radiation. But there is our proof right there that Fukushima is on fire.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable
Christina: I have a question. Leuren, have you ever heard of this type of nanoparticle before in a reactor accident?
L. Moret: No.
Christina: I haven’t either
L. Moret: No, I haven’t either. But it is definitely characteristic of depleted uranium from the battlefield. Uranium is a pyrophoric metal. It catches on fire very, very easily and it burns at temperatures up to 5,000 degrees centigrade which is hotter than the sun! So these tiny particles are the most lethal part of the danger of a nuclear power plant burning or using depleted uranium weapons. Of course we know at Fukushima that they have MOX fuel in one of the reactors. That is mixing plutonium and uranium in the fuel and it is very unstable. It burns at very high temperatures. Of course plutonium is extremely lethal to living organisms.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina –
Christina: Number 7, “Experts have found very high levels of cesium-137 in plankton living in the waters of the Pacific Ocean between Hawaii and the west coast.”
Dr. Fetzer: Oh, that is not normal, hunh?
Christina: Well you know they detected two weeks after the accident already very high levels in the kelp off B.C., and at that time it was I-131 I believe which after 40 days dissipates, but I-129 sticks around for much longer. I have an article called “The Bioaccumulation of Contamination in Plankton.” This is from the U.S. Armed Forces in 1955. Plankton concentrate mineral elements from the water and it has been found that radioactivity may be concentrated in this manner by as much as a thousand times. Thus, for example, one gram of plankton could contain a thousand times as much radioactivity as a gram of water adjacent to it.
Dr. Fetzer: Unreal.
Christina: And I believe we know even more now than we did back then, but I mean this is bad news for anything in the ocean that lives on plankton, which is everything. But things that feed directly on it like whales.
L. Moret: It is the base of the food chain. What we know about bioaccumulation in seaweed is that seaweed bioconcentrates ionizing radiation in the seawater to 150,000 times higher levels in seaweed than in the water the seaweed is living in.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: So Number 8: “One test in California found that 15 out of 15bluefin tuna were contaminated with radiation from Fukushima.” That was just about a year ago when tuna off the coast of San Diego were sampled and I think all of them had cesium in the flesh and these tuna had come from Japan which is where they spawn offshore from Fukushima.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina –
Christina: Yes, Number 9 ties into that too “Back in 2012, the Vancouver Sun reported that cesium-137 was being found in a very high percentage of the fish that Japan was selling to Canada…
- 73 percent of mackerel tested
- 91 percent of the halibut
- 92 percent of the sardines”
- “93 percent of the tuna and eel
- 94 percent of the cod and anchovies
- 100 percent of the carp, seaweed, shark and monkfish”
L. Moret: One hundred percent, and that is because the levels in these different fish depend on their diet, so fish that prey on other fish usually have lower levels than fish that feed on plankton, for instance, or they are bottom feeders and they pick up mud and small particles which have higher levels of radiation because of the chemical affinity that tiny particles have for radiation. In other words, very tiny clay particles in water are scavengers for highly charged radioactive particles.
Dr. Fetzer: Continue–.
L. Moret: [Number] 10: “Canadian authorities are finding extremely high levels of nuclear radiation in certain fish samples…
Leuren Moret [Interjecting] that means disintegrations per second. [Continues to read from the article]
“…per kilogram of cesium.”L. Moret: Now the terrible thing about cesium is that if affects the heart. It is collected in the heart. The heart produces new cells only about 5% per year. So we are seeing athletes, race horses, celebrities during performance, pilots while they are flying are collapsing, they are dying of heart attacks or cardiac failure. This is being very widely reported in the U.S. and Alaska flight crews and also in England football players, race horses. That is the cesium damage. Now what people don’t realize is that nearly 2,000 radioactive isotopes are produced in a fissioning process and that is what is coming out of the fuel rods so you have to multiply the danger of the cesium they are reporting by almost two thousand other isotopes. We are getting absolutely bombarded.
Dr. Fetzer: If I pick up on Number 11, people developing cancer from eating contaminated fish, why I am stunned by this is it seems to be having such a rapid effect. I mean, here we have this Daniel Hirsh, a nuclear policy lecturer at UC Santa Cruz who is telling Global Security Newswire “We could have large numbers of cancer from ingestion of fish’” and I take it they are already showing up. [Editor's Note: Number 11 reads as follows:] “Some experts believe that we could see very high levels of cancer along the west coast just from people eating contaminated fish…“
L. Moret: It is already showing up
Dr. Fetzer: How quickly? You know it is just astonishing that it should be that fast.
Christina: Well you know part of the problem too is that when you look back at Chernobyl, in Japan they are saying right now all these kids that they are finding thyroid problems with, you know, they are developing nodules, some of them have early cancer. — the experts are saying this can’t be from Fukushima because it is happening too fast, because in Chernobyl it took four or five years for a hundred kids to have cancer.
L. Moret: Well it is these very tiny particles and it is constant exposure now for two years, more than two years. Chernobyl was just one exposure, and they put the lid on it. They put a sarcophagus on it and stopped it. This is constant, daily, 24 hour a day releases of low level and not so low level radiation. By April of 2011, just two months after Fukushima, air samples and air filters in cars were analyzed by Dr. Chris Busby. He calculated that by April the radiation concentrations in the air in Japan around the Fukushima area indicated that the equivalent of 300 Chernobyls had occurred. We are talking now from this new evidence about spherical particles, we are talking about all those fuel rods, or large numbers of fuel rods in the cooling pools that are now empty are releasing huge new amounts of extremely toxic sphericals.
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: So it is really bad and a new study by the Radiation and Food Lab, I believe it is in Japan, they reported that the 19th of October 2013, that Pacific Coast seaweed is contaminated with cesium and that the levels are 8.14 becquerels per kilo for Cs-134, 8.88 becquerels per kilo for Cs-137, and cobalt is even being reported in seaweed off the Pacific Coast of the U.S. at 3.7 becquerels per kilo. In Chiba, which is north, is between Tokyo and Fukushima, the cesium levels were 41 becquerels per kilo for Cs -134, 63 becquerels per kilo for Cs-137, and although no cobalt 60 was detected, but there is nothing to compare this to. You cannot even compare it to Chernobyl. The spent fuel rods did not burn at Chernobyl. It was just the reactor rods and they stopped it right away. But these people in Japan are releasing, they are guaranteeing, they are facilitating increased releases of extremely high levels of radiation on a daily basis into the atmosphere and into the ocean and off course contaminated air masses are over here along the Pacific Coast line in a matter of days.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina, could you take 12, 13, and 14?
Christina: Sure. Number 12 is the “BBC News recently reported that radiation levels around Fukushima are `18 times higher‘ than previously believed.” And, you know, again it is TEPCO’s numbers which are always revised higher. With the last few weeks where we have had kind of this escalation of events, one of the things that I found really curious is that because of a wall that was built underground to block the corium from going out into the sea , or highly contaminated water going out into the sea, effectively they have dammed up the site, so the ground is now becoming saturated. If you have this underground corium lava field under the reactors, you have ground water that is flowing through the site and you have water that is continuously being poured on the reactors, and they are only collecting 300 or 400 tons of that a day, I think what we are going to see eventually is that this corium-ground water combination is going to be coming up around this site. At that point workers are not going to be able to be there. There is no way to protect them especially from tritium because tritium will go through everything. So they are really under the gun for anything that they need to do. They are going to cycle through workers continuously. There is no way to keep people on the site for long term with the kind of exposures they are getting with these numbers that we are seeing.
[Editor's Note: Numbers 13 and 14, which were skipped in this interview, read as follows:]
13. “An EU-funded study concluded that Fukushima released up to 210 quadrillion becquerels of cesium-137 into the atmosphere.”Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, how about 15, 16 and 17?
14. “Atmospheric radiation from Fukushima reached the west coast of the United States within a few days back in 2011.”
L. Moret: [Number 15]: “At this point, 300 tons of contaminated water is pouring into the Pacific Ocean from Fukushima every single day.”That is because Japan is an island arc. The nuclear power plants are built on the coastline so they can use sea water, huge amounts of water every day to cool the reactors. The run off from the volcanic spine of Japan is running right down to the coastline and it is washing straight through Fukushima in that location and just carrying a constant river of radioactive water washing into the sea. Number 16:“A senior researcher of marine chemistry at the Japan Meteorological Agency’s Meteorological Research Institute says that `30 billion becquerels of radioactive cesium and 30 billion becquerels of radioactive strontium’ are being released into the Pacific Ocean from Fukushima every single day.” I bet it is a lot more than that. Number 17: ”According to Tepco, a total of somewhere between 20 trillion and 40 trillion becquerels of radioactive tritium…” [Leuren Moret interjects] radioactive tritium is radioactive water, basically, ”…have gotten into the Pacific Ocean since the Fukushima disaster first began.”
Dr. Fetzer: Christina, 18, 19, and 20.
Christina: [Number 18:] “According to a professor at Tokyo University, 3 gigabecquerels of cesium-137 are flowing into the port at Fukushima Daiichi every single day.” Again, that is just one isotope. It is just cesium 137. Number 19: “It has been estimated that up to 100 times as much nuclear radiation has been released into the ocean from Fukushima than was released during the entire Chernobyl disaster.” Leuren just covered that when she talked about Chris Busby’s air filter studies.
L. Moret: That is under estimation
Dr. Fetzer: Yes. [Number] 20 –
Christina: [Number] 20: “One recent study concluded that a very large plume of cesium-137 from the Fukushima disaster will start flowing into U.S. coastal waters early next year…
Christina: There are so many unknowns.
L. Moret: It is going to kill the oceans. It absolutely is, the coastline [too].
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, go to 21 and 22.
L. Moret: OK, [Number] 21 “It is being projected that significant levels of cesium-137 will reach every corner of the Pacific Ocean by the year 2020.” That is because the ocean is very dynamic and that stuff is spread all over, very rapidly, but not as rapidly as in the atmosphere. [Number] 22: “It is being projected that the entire Pacific Ocean will soon `have cesium levels 5 to 10 times higher‘ than what we witnessed during the era of heavy atomic bomb testing in the Pacific many decades ago.” That is going to absolutely kill the fish populations.
Dr. Fetzer: Christina: 23, 24.
Christina: [Number 23:] “The immense amounts of nuclear radiation getting into the water in the Pacific Ocean has caused environmental activist Joe Martino to issue the following warning…
`Your days of eating Pacific Ocean fish are over.’”Christina: Mine were over two years ago! [Laughter]
Dr. Fetzer: Smart. You were ahead of the curve. 24?
Christina: [Number] 24 is “The Iodine-131, Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 that are constantly coming from Fukushima are going to affect the health of those living the the northern hemisphere for a very, very long time. Just consider what Harvey Wasserman had to say about this…
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, 25 and 26.
L. Moret: [Number] 25: “According to a recent Planet Infowars report, the California coastline is being transformed into “a dead zone”…
Dr. Fetzer: [Interjecting] Killing all the microscopic forms of life?
L. Moret: Yes.. [Continuing to read from the article].
L. Moret: In other words, these filter feeders that are taking in very high levels and bioconcentrating them are just not able to survive. Especially compared to ten to fifteen years ago when you had to wear tennis shoes if you went to the beach or you would cut the heck out of the bottom of your feet. Life is being exterminated. The ocean is going extinct.
[Editor's Note: the following is the remainder of Number 25]
Dr. Fetzer: Unbelievable.
L. Moret: Then it is carried into the Atlantic Ocean and it will happen there, in the Arctic Ocean, and around the Antarctic. They are killing the entire global ocean.
Dr. Fetzer: 26
Christina: [Number] 26 is “A study conducted last year came to the conclusion that radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster could negatively affect human life along the west coast of North America from Mexico to Alaska `for decades.’”
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, 27
L. Moret: [Number] 27. “According to the Wall Street Journal, it is being projected that the cleanup of Fukushima could take up to 40 years to complete.” It is never going to stop releasing in our life time.
Dr. Fetzer: I agree. 28, Christina.
Christina: [Number 28:] “Yale Professor Charles Perrow is warning that if the cleanup of Fukushima is not handled with 100% precision that humanity could be threatened `for thousands of years‘…” He is referring to the fuel extraction in part which is scheduled to start in 15 days from Reactor 4. They actually are currently moving fuel from reactor 6 into the common spent fuel pool. Now they began that in Mid-October but it took them three weeks just to pry off the reactor lid in Reactor 6, and that reactor was supposed to be fine. It did not have any damage that was reported. If they found anything once they got inside that reactor they haven’t talked about it. But they are currently moving that fuel and they are going to be moving the fuel from Number 4 at the same time around the end of November.
[Editor's Note: The remainder of Number 28 reads:]
Dr. Fetzer: In the minutes we have that remain I would like your concluding reflections, Christina?
Christina: Well I think this is an issue of enormous complexity. It is difficult to really wrap your mind around it even if you do nothing else but read about this problem day after day. I know many people that have. Fukushima has changed their lives because they realized right from the beginning the magnitude of the disaster. For people who are kind of overwhelmed by this, the only thing you have to remember is that all radiation is bad. Everything that you can do to eliminate it in your daily life is good for the long run, because it is cumulative. You kind of have to treat yourself like you are already a cancer patient and get lots of sleep and eat well and pay attention to the people who are talking about this because it is really is probably the most important issue that we have ever faced.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren, summing up in a sentence or two.
L. Moret: Well, the effects of these nuclear technologies that have been introduced one after another it actually has resulted in very strange phenomenon and that is that the oldest people in the U.S., the seniors and those over 60, are the healthiest part of the U.S. population now, and the younger populations are having worse and worse health histories and health effects and as time goes on and they become adults all that exposure in the womb is expressed later on in their health. The highest increase in death rates after Fukushima was reported in basically the soldiers who returned to Texas from the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. They are the most exposed. They are already carrying a body burden and it has almost killed them and that little bit of Fukushima radiation just was the last straw.
Dr. Fetzer: Leuren Moret and Christina Consolo, I can’t thank you enough for being here on The Real Deal with me, even though what you are telling us is overwhelming, depressing, even catastrophic. I can’t thank you enough.
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