Alimuddin Usmani interviews Gilad Atzmon
#PalestineUnderAttack
Alimuddin Usmani:After
“Cast lead” in 2009 and “Pillar of defense” in 2012, the Israeli army
has launched operation “Protective edge” in July, 2014 against Gaza.
What is the purpose of these repeated large scale military operations?
Gilad Atzmon: It
is important to note that Israel hasn’t won a single military battle
since 1973. True, it has killed many Arabs, but it hasn’t managed to
achieve any of its military objectives.
Israel’s military domination
has been sustained by the power of deterrence. The strategy was to
force Arabs to avoid conflict by threatening that they could lose
everything. This week has shown that this trick won’t work anymore.
Palestinian resistance has
sprung back to life. Israel can not solve its problems by military
means. The situation is desperate for the Israelis. They have started
to realize that they are stuck within a political, ideological and
cultural stalemate. Israel is unable to conjure an image of a
resolution. There is no prospect of future for the Jewish State.
Furthermore, the Jewish
left’s blatant lie that the ‘occupation is the problem’ has been
exposed this week as we witness Israeli Arab citizens chased by Jewish
mobs. As we know, the right-wing call for mass expulsion of all Arabs
from Israeli territory is becoming increasingly popular within Israel.
This brutal ‘solution’ is totally consistent with Jewish supremacist
culture and ideology. After all, Jews, and I mean both Zionists and
anti, like to operate within a Jews only environment. But can Israel
rid itself of the Palestinians. This is exactly what the Right wing
parties within the coalition promise to do.
Back to your question; since
the military cannot provide the answers and the politicians cannot
produce an image of a solution, the military is used as a firemen’s
brigade. It supplies short lived victories. The IDF is buying time, it
cannot deliver a victory because military objectives cannot even be
articulated. The IDF pounds Gaza with missiles, it kills whatever it
suspects might be dangerous (a lot of kids, elders and women). But as
time goes by, the military options are shrinking and to a certain
extent, are not viable any more.
The German military theorist, Carl von Clausewitz suggested in the 19th
century that “war is the continuation of politics by other means.”
In the case of Israel what we see instead is the reverse of
Clausewitz’ idea: Israeli politics is the continuation of the Jewish
need for a conflict.
Alimuddin Usmani: Haaretz’
writer Gideon Levy wrote that Israel doesn’t want peace and that
“Rejectionism is embedded in Israel’s most primal beliefs. There, at the
deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews
alone.” What is your opinion on this?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601112
Gilad Atzmon:
I am delighted to see that more and more people including my bitterest
opponents now agree with me that there is something deeply troubling in
Jewish culture and ID politics. Haaretz wrote an editorial a few days
ago stating that “Israel must undergo a cultural revolution” (http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.603451).
My bitterest Palestinian opponent, Ali Abunimah, who just recently
denounced me for focusing on Jewish culture, seems to have adopted my
philosophy. He now points to the morbid racism inherent in Jewish
culture and politics.
And now, after praising
myself and my ‘prophetic qualities,’ let me address the question. In
Hebrew, the word ‘Shalom’ doesn’t mean peace, harmony or reconciliation.
It means ‘security for the Jews.’ In other words, Israel does not have a
proper word for peace or reconciliation. Hence it is not surprising
that Israel is not a partner in peace. It can’t even contemplate the
concept.
As we are becoming aware
of the post political conditions in which we live, philosophy and
essentialist thinking are vital analytic tools to make sense of the
human landscape around us. And now, please ask yourself who have been
the bitterest enemies of essentialist and philosophical thinking within
academia and politics? It is, obviously, the Jewish left who strives so
hard to prevent us from thinking about Jewishness in categorical terms.
Alimuddin Usmani: In an article posted in the Nation on the 2nd of July, Noam Chomsky advised Palestinians to “avoid illusion and myth, and think carefully about the tactics they choose and the course they follow.”
What is the strategy that Chomsky advocates?
http://www.thenation.com/article/180492/israel-palestine-and-bds?page=0,0
Gilad Atzmon:
In my recent talks I have been making a distinction between the
‘Intellectual’ and the ‘Commissar.’ The Intellectual is an inspiration
who encourages others to think independently and authentically.
The commissar, on the other hand, provides others with the
appropriate answers. Instead of guiding one ‘how to think’, the
Commissar would tell you ‘what to think.’ The commissar’s
‘pedagogical’ mode is an adequate description of the Left discourse and
the so-called Jewish intelligencia.
It is there to prescribe the boundaries of correctness within the
context of a phantasmic ritual of imaginary dissent. Noam Chomsky is the
current emblem of such an awkward anti-intellectual form of thinking.
In addition to being uniquely tedious, which is in itself a crime
against humanity, Chomsky tends to selectively cherry pick the facts
that fit his favorite narrative, theory or argument while consciously
and consciously eliminating the most relevant facts. That Chomsky has
gotten away with such tactics for so long, is nothing short of shameful
yet symptomatic to the ‘correct’ discourse he is advocating.
In his famous 1843 paper, “On the Jewish Question,” Karl Marx
suggested that for the world to be emancipated it must be emancipated
from the Jews or Judaism. Adopting a similar line, I believe strongly
that for the West and dissent to be liberated, it must be emancipated
from the Commissar culture, the tyranny of ‘correctness.’ We have to
reinstate our ability to ‘say what we think’ instead of ‘thinking before
we say.’
I don’t want the Chomskys of this world to tell the Palestinians or anyone else to ‘think
carefully.’ And I hope that Chomsky himself learns not to think
‘carefully’ but instead adopts ethical thinking over his Talmudic
legalist approach. We, the rest of humanity, must learn to bring to
nurture the spirit of true resistance, including a willingness to
sacrifice.
This is exactly what the Jewish Left
has managed to suppress and for so long. Instead of creating actual
change we have indulged ourselves in a discourse of an imaginary
activism subject to the corrosive effects of its funders, Wall Street
and people like George Soros and his Open Society Institute.
Alimuddin Usmani: Dominique
Vidal, a French journalist wrote an article in 2012 which had a
strange title : “Protocols of Gilad Atzmon.” Probably a reference to
“The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”. Most of the article is made up of
quotes from your book “The Wandering Who?” Dominique Vidal acknowledges
that he refuses to debate your ideas. Is it because he is simply unable
to adress them?
http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/dominique-vidal/110412/les-protocoles-de-gilad-atzmon
Gilad Atzmon: This must be the case. I have yet to meet a single Jewish ‘leftist’ who is brave enough to confront me on stage or face to face.
As far as I can remember, Professor Norton Mezvinsky was the only
Jewish intellectual who appeared with me on stage. And, at least for me,
it was an enlightening experience.
I was surprised to find
out that Professor Marc Elis, whom many within the Jewish Left regard as
one of the leading Jewish theologians, pretty much dedicated the last
chapter of his most recent book to my work concluding that I am a
contemporary Jewish Biblical prophet. Of course, I am not a prophet,
Jewish or otherwise, I simply speak my mind on Israel and Jewish
matters, something that
Jewish Diaspora seem to be unfamiliar with. It is that fact alone, the
idea that I am dismissal of ‘correctness’ that makes me very dangerous
for Jewish Left.
Though Marc Ellis’
approach may suggest a change of heart and self reflection within the
Jewish progressive miniature and insignificant universe, Dominique
Vidal is symptomatic of all that is rotten within the Jewish left; the
racial exclusivism, the unwillingness to debate and exchange, zero
self-reflection and a total and unique absence of intellectual
integrity.
Alimuddin Usmani: Criticism
of the Talmud is widespread, especially on the internet. The
Anti-Defamation League issued a report in 2003 explaining that critics
of the Talmud use erroneous translations or erroneous quotations in
order to distort it’s meaning. What is your response to the ADL?
http://archive.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/the_talmud.pdf
Gilad Atzmon: The
ADL argument is just a projection of common Jewish tactics- it is Jews
and Israelis who mistranslate and quote out of context a la Dominique
Vidal in order to divert attention from the problems inherent in Jewish
culture, the Jewish State and the Talmud. The ADL article exemplifies
this method. Instead of addressing the argument it simply shows that the
Talmud also includes some ethical preaching.
However, I must add that I
do not see the Talmud as the core problem. My study of Jewish history
reveals that it isn’t the rabbinical Jews and the followers of the
Talmud who have engaged in genocidal crimes. It was actually the
Bolshevik Jews who were ‘Stalin’s Willing Executioners’ as Yuri Selzkin
describes them in his phenomenal book, ‘The Jewish Century.’ It was the
revolutionary Jews who burned and murdered Christians in the name of
the ‘world proletariat’ while fighting within the Yiddish speaking
‘International Brigade’ (Spain 1936).
It was the Left Zionists
who expelled the Palestinians in 1948 in what is now known as the Nakba.
I think that we have enough evidence to suggest that from a Jewish
perspectives the previous century was a ‘Century of Nakbas.’ Those
‘progressive’ Jews didn’t follow the Talmud, on the contrary, they
believed themselves to be anti-religious, atheist and ‘working class.’
Someone mentioned to me recently that for some reason these Jewish
atheist revolutionaries always burn churches, they never burn
synagogues. Is this a coincidence?
Alimuddin Usmani: Several
years ago I met Juliano Mer-Khamis, the Israeli-Palestinian filmmaker,
actor and political activist who was murdered in Jenin in 2011. He gave
me the impression of a profoundly humane person. How do you assess his
work, in particular, the freedom theatre he established.
Gilad Atzmon: He
was a hero. Juliano Mer- Khamis always spoke his mind and he paid the
ultimate price for it. I will cherish his memory for the rest of my
life.
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